I took it to meant that since we don't have a Cecil family or something similar, conservatives who are always in charge and leading well, those at the top of society circulate in and out as leaders, politically and socially, when we're in virtuous eras.
Lol. American industrialism equals American aristocracy lol. Merchant boys can’t be aristocracy. Aristocracy is tied to the lands in the people. Merchant boys are always tied to profit. Any attempts they make to “save America “will always be put in the backseat to their profits. This was absurd. The real aristocracy of America was put to death during the Yankee invasion. All the industrial interest were just pretenders and could never be aristocracy.
This isn’t really true. For one, while I quite like the Southern cavaliers, nearly all were Democrats or Whigs - not High Tories, and it’s near-impossible to have a functional aristocracy without that mindset.
Further, even the British aristocracy saw men of industry/commerce could become aristocratic in mindset after three or so generations of hereditary wealth, and transfered a good portion of its assets into equities as the century ground on
So yes, I don’t think Rockefeller was an aristocrat. However, Henry Ford acted like one - in many ways being an American version of the Earls Fitzwilliam in how he treated workers, though then his kids destroyed that - and JP Morgan, the Astors, and others of the New York elite, which was indeed aristocratic because of long-lasting Anglo-Dutch manorial estates and the mindset their owners inculcated, were relatively aristocratic. Carnegie was a more mixed case. But the American gentry generally, which was wealthy enough to not have to work much and quickly volunteered to fight when wars came up, were an untiled aristocracy and our industrial wealth helped keep that system alive here as it started to shrivel on the vine in Europe
This is an absurd claim and it’s a bogus criteria. From the first families of Virginia to John Taylor of Caroline and John Randolph, all the way through the Lees, Carters, Drayton’s and a whole host of other families to numerous to list, not to mention the growing Legion of gentility made up of planters and the cream of the backwoodsman, the South was the only place that had an aristocracy. That’s because the south knew how to lead men through command presence love of people and love a place. Merchant boys only know the love of profit and how to buy men. But buying men doesn’t give you the record that forest had in the Yankee invasion and leading the Klan to end reconstruction.
There was never a monolith of British that accepted merchant boys as aristocracy, in fact, the accepters were the minority. Allowing merchant boys into the upper class of Britain was always resisted by the actual aristocracy and only accepted by the weak and indebted among them. Which is how the Jews bought them up a generation before Cromwell and spent the next 250 years or so destroying them. The last dying in the great war.
The Dutch were worse than the English having been bought by Jews after they were forced out of Spain. Nothing from there after that migration is worth taking seriously.
Industrial wealth destroyed the aristocracy. You keep conflating being wealthy with being an aristocrat, which I explained is clearly not the case.
Lol, “aristocracy of American own choosing”, isn’t that just Napoleon?
I took it to meant that since we don't have a Cecil family or something similar, conservatives who are always in charge and leading well, those at the top of society circulate in and out as leaders, politically and socially, when we're in virtuous eras.
American aristocracy is formed and maintained by faith. Hence the mobility within it
Lol. American industrialism equals American aristocracy lol. Merchant boys can’t be aristocracy. Aristocracy is tied to the lands in the people. Merchant boys are always tied to profit. Any attempts they make to “save America “will always be put in the backseat to their profits. This was absurd. The real aristocracy of America was put to death during the Yankee invasion. All the industrial interest were just pretenders and could never be aristocracy.
This isn’t really true. For one, while I quite like the Southern cavaliers, nearly all were Democrats or Whigs - not High Tories, and it’s near-impossible to have a functional aristocracy without that mindset.
Further, even the British aristocracy saw men of industry/commerce could become aristocratic in mindset after three or so generations of hereditary wealth, and transfered a good portion of its assets into equities as the century ground on
So yes, I don’t think Rockefeller was an aristocrat. However, Henry Ford acted like one - in many ways being an American version of the Earls Fitzwilliam in how he treated workers, though then his kids destroyed that - and JP Morgan, the Astors, and others of the New York elite, which was indeed aristocratic because of long-lasting Anglo-Dutch manorial estates and the mindset their owners inculcated, were relatively aristocratic. Carnegie was a more mixed case. But the American gentry generally, which was wealthy enough to not have to work much and quickly volunteered to fight when wars came up, were an untiled aristocracy and our industrial wealth helped keep that system alive here as it started to shrivel on the vine in Europe
This is an absurd claim and it’s a bogus criteria. From the first families of Virginia to John Taylor of Caroline and John Randolph, all the way through the Lees, Carters, Drayton’s and a whole host of other families to numerous to list, not to mention the growing Legion of gentility made up of planters and the cream of the backwoodsman, the South was the only place that had an aristocracy. That’s because the south knew how to lead men through command presence love of people and love a place. Merchant boys only know the love of profit and how to buy men. But buying men doesn’t give you the record that forest had in the Yankee invasion and leading the Klan to end reconstruction.
There was never a monolith of British that accepted merchant boys as aristocracy, in fact, the accepters were the minority. Allowing merchant boys into the upper class of Britain was always resisted by the actual aristocracy and only accepted by the weak and indebted among them. Which is how the Jews bought them up a generation before Cromwell and spent the next 250 years or so destroying them. The last dying in the great war.
The Dutch were worse than the English having been bought by Jews after they were forced out of Spain. Nothing from there after that migration is worth taking seriously.
Industrial wealth destroyed the aristocracy. You keep conflating being wealthy with being an aristocrat, which I explained is clearly not the case.