Women won't reproduce unless they have a husband who is higher status than they are. Over the whole culture, this requires women to be lower status than men, unmarried women to be lower-status than married, mothers to be higher status than career women, and never-married mothers to be lowest status of all. To reduce the relative status of women requires excluding nearly all women from higher education and from all but a few low-status job categories.
Further, in order to get fertility back to replacement rate marriage 1.0 must be not only relegalized, but made the only allowed form of marriage and even sexual relations: wife subordinate to husband, no divorce without fault, lifetime irrevocable consent, coverture no separate legal identity for wives), child custody goes with the father, wives have no right to independenly decide to not have children, no alimony without comensurate fault, no child support for bastards (in wedlock bastards especially),
Not doing these things will predictably result in slow genocide of nearly every nation on Earth, with the others mostly collapsing later but more quickly when aid to Africa becomes unsustainable.
My late aunt Beth specialized in representing fathers in custody cases in Maryland (one of the last states to adopt no-fault divorce). Back in the ‘90s, when I was in my 20s, I managed her office and did paralegal work for her.
Big, big eye-opener. Mom can outright sell the baby over the objections of the father and his whole family. Later-born children (from 2nd and later moms) get less support than earlier kids. Child support can't be reduced, nor debts forgiven; there is no allowance for the father's necessary expenses, nor any requirement for mom to spend anything on the kids. There is no allowance for dad's reduced earnings, but increased earnings can result in increased child support. Court orders are usually only enforced againsr White dads. Law has no force, the judge does whatever she wants. There is effectively no right to appeal. Many fathers are pushed beyond desperation.
One dad robbed a bank to make his child support payment on time, and was caught red-handed. Bank robbery is a federal case. Beth's husband, Ed, who did criminal defense, got him off with time served, no probation, in less than three months. Tha's as big a “win” as a man might see if he had kids with a typical woman for the past few decades.
I think this is why culture (and religion) are so very important. At the end of the day, nothing can make up for a lack of meaning, character, and "story"..
Cut off their oil, their army is useless. Their steel is cheap fall apart crap. So is the rest of their manufacturing. They have not far to fall. Okay, their robotics are pretty good.
The quick fix would be to abolish the pill ----which also lead to a more traditional society.
But if that can't be done I did hear of a school trip where teenage girls looked after very young children in a nursery for two weeks as part of their work experience. This resulted in a spat of teenage pregnancies. The solution could be to encourage and trigger women's maternal instincts and let nature do the rest.
Japan is going the mass immigration route and it’s likely China does the same. The communist party are BRICS globalists and hold the same disdain for their native population that Putin and western globalists do.
Unfortunately, there are only so many skilled immigrants from the 3rd world and most of them have already migrated to America already.
Is Japan doing the mass migration thing? I thought it still had very low immigration and most were on temporary work visas from other Asian countries, not birthright anchor babies from Haiti
I think the PRC is going to founder fairly soon, too. But not on account of some blinkered economic analysis that concludes that the source of their problem is that 1.4 billion people on a territorial footprint the size of the 48 Continental US states isn't nearly enough.
Only economists trained in handling fungible numbers while remaining studiously ignorant of the principles of the life sciences--or the recent advances in human health sciences--could advocate such quackery as the remedy for the economic challenges of the 21st century.
Pro-Natalism is a Ponzi scheme that will chew through the living natural systems of the planet like a colony of termites turning an exquisite wood-frame house into sawdust if its tenets are followed to their conclusion, by feeding every natural resource on the planet into a grinder that yields only the Power of More Money to accumulate more Power and more Money.
Either that, or those persuaded to follow Pro-Natalist precepts on a planet of >8.3 billion people will split into factions that seek to thrive at the expense of the others. Possibly at the cost of pursuing the extinction of the others.
"The Environment" is not some mythical excuse made up by crypto-Marxists; the natural world is as vital to sustaining our lives as the internal vital organs that sustain our bodies, and its healthy functioning is ultimately as important as maintaining our internal physical health.
America is a far cleaner, better-for-the-environment place now despite having 400ish million people instead of 100 million. We got richer, in part because the population was growing, and used it to clean up the rivers, lakes, etc.
China, Africa, etc. are not because those places are terrible as are most of the people within them. Are such places overpopulated to some extent? Probably. Most of the Third World is. But 1) only the truly retarded are saying more Senegalese and Congolese will solve this, the focus has always been on high-quality people, and 2) regardless of overpopulation China will decline as it has ever fewer workers to pay for ever more retirees
Not the case. US environmental conditions began to improve around 1970, when the US population was around 180 million and a popular movement demanded improvements. (US population today is 340 million.) The 1970s was the era when we got a Clean Water Act, an EPA, and the beginning of fuel regulations banning tetraethyl lead and mandating catalytic converters (without which the air in cities like Los Angeles would have gotten worse instead of better.) Technological improvement has been important, and it continues to be important. But the uncomfortable fact is that much of the improved environmental quality in the US is a result of relocating so much industrial output outside of US borders, to China, India and Mexico. The pollution load on the planet didn't go away. Much of it was simply transferred to other countries. And improvements on the problems that remain continue to be reversed by idiots (as with EPA headwaters protections), expensively contested by idiots (the same way that catalytic converters were fought), or bypassed by idiots (as with the exploitation of loose state regulations by industries not subjected to Federal EPA oversight, like hog waste lagoons in some states, and parts of the Louisiana petrochemical industry.)
Furthermore, much water pollution remains, in the form of nonpoint pollution: overloaded municipal sewage systems, nutrient pollution from petroleum and petrochemical runoff and erosion, massive amounts of animal waste from CAFOs, petrochecmical agriculture. https://databasin.org/datasets/53f72f00668848f48e6ebfd7d99ad05b/
Those are not projections; that's what's happening now. (I refrained from posting projection maps about droughts and water shortages, because I don't want to get sucked into a tangential discussion by Climate Stress Deniers.)
I can only imagine how much more stressed that infrastructure would be if the US population was presently the 400 million number that you provided, instead of 340 million.
I'll take a break here. My problem isn't that I don't have any other data to support my points; it's that I have so much of it that I need to winnow it down to my most important points.
Well one advantage the US has is that it is made up of many different subcultures, trying different things. Some of those subcultures have high fertility.
OK. Hawaiian/Asian Pacific or Latino "subculture." Now, are you able to answer the question? The US has the same demographic cliff as the Chinese and we're on the hook for a lot more fiscal obligations.
You said the US advantage over China is it's high TFR subcultures. The ones actually measured by participation in the US Census, are Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders (barely above 2) and Latinos (1.9). I asked you if that's who you were banking on to beat the Chinese because other than good barbecues they're not doing a lot. Apparently the ace up the US sleeve is going to be the Amish and their barn raisings.
It actually is really true except for tech bro plutocrats and Wall Street financial parasites. America is in inexorable decline. Even Trump admitted so openly during the presidential debate last year.
America is in decline, not inexorable decline, and if Trump thought it was inexorable he wouldn't be running
The parasites didn't get on board with Trump, only a few of the pro-America ones who provide sane and needed services like Jamie Dimon. America would collapse without commercial banking of the sort he provides, and JPM is a far better company than most of the European banks and their American affiliates
measures America is in decline. The interests of elites and average people couldn’t be more different. The white foundational population is about 56% and falling. We’re not going back to 1985.
Conservative economist Martin Armstrong https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/ has written for years that the USA splits up post-2032 and China will win - almost by default. Even despite their upcoming demographic cliff, if the USA splits up, the power shifts to China.
Martin is great, but I doubt this will go that way
The shift of the tech and finance types to a semi-MAGA right means that if such a split occurred, it would mainly just be us shedding our deadweight. Meanwhile China will soon have a nearly 1:1 worker-to-retiree ratio and struggles to even produce its own food or energy
Insh'Allah it really would be great if we could give the Left Coast and the Northeast the heave but I think that's pretty fanciful. Really America is a bunch of Blue urban Islands surrounded by Red exurbs. If we can stop the fiscal bleeding and onshore manufacturing maybe we get birth rates up so the young leave the cities to raise families. So maybe there's hope.
Yes, I do think the "build the real economy" aspect of birthrates has been under noticed. Birthrates were good when people could live a middle class life with a normal job
Women won't reproduce unless they have a husband who is higher status than they are. Over the whole culture, this requires women to be lower status than men, unmarried women to be lower-status than married, mothers to be higher status than career women, and never-married mothers to be lowest status of all. To reduce the relative status of women requires excluding nearly all women from higher education and from all but a few low-status job categories.
Further, in order to get fertility back to replacement rate marriage 1.0 must be not only relegalized, but made the only allowed form of marriage and even sexual relations: wife subordinate to husband, no divorce without fault, lifetime irrevocable consent, coverture no separate legal identity for wives), child custody goes with the father, wives have no right to independenly decide to not have children, no alimony without comensurate fault, no child support for bastards (in wedlock bastards especially),
Not doing these things will predictably result in slow genocide of nearly every nation on Earth, with the others mostly collapsing later but more quickly when aid to Africa becomes unsustainable.
Yeah I think the no-fault divorce thing is huge. It's probably one of the bigger reasons why young men of any brains aren't getting married
My late aunt Beth specialized in representing fathers in custody cases in Maryland (one of the last states to adopt no-fault divorce). Back in the ‘90s, when I was in my 20s, I managed her office and did paralegal work for her.
Big, big eye-opener. Mom can outright sell the baby over the objections of the father and his whole family. Later-born children (from 2nd and later moms) get less support than earlier kids. Child support can't be reduced, nor debts forgiven; there is no allowance for the father's necessary expenses, nor any requirement for mom to spend anything on the kids. There is no allowance for dad's reduced earnings, but increased earnings can result in increased child support. Court orders are usually only enforced againsr White dads. Law has no force, the judge does whatever she wants. There is effectively no right to appeal. Many fathers are pushed beyond desperation.
One dad robbed a bank to make his child support payment on time, and was caught red-handed. Bank robbery is a federal case. Beth's husband, Ed, who did criminal defense, got him off with time served, no probation, in less than three months. Tha's as big a “win” as a man might see if he had kids with a typical woman for the past few decades.
Horrible
Definitely an eye opener. Thank you for sharing.
I think this is why culture (and religion) are so very important. At the end of the day, nothing can make up for a lack of meaning, character, and "story"..
Cut off their oil, their army is useless. Their steel is cheap fall apart crap. So is the rest of their manufacturing. They have not far to fall. Okay, their robotics are pretty good.
I have heard their BYD hybrid cars are pretty good, but don't know if that is true
The quick fix would be to abolish the pill ----which also lead to a more traditional society.
But if that can't be done I did hear of a school trip where teenage girls looked after very young children in a nursery for two weeks as part of their work experience. This resulted in a spat of teenage pregnancies. The solution could be to encourage and trigger women's maternal instincts and let nature do the rest.
That school trip idea is fabulous
Ending no fault divorce would probably help as well
Japan is going the mass immigration route and it’s likely China does the same. The communist party are BRICS globalists and hold the same disdain for their native population that Putin and western globalists do.
Unfortunately, there are only so many skilled immigrants from the 3rd world and most of them have already migrated to America already.
Is Japan doing the mass migration thing? I thought it still had very low immigration and most were on temporary work visas from other Asian countries, not birthright anchor babies from Haiti
Yeah, but they don't have an easy pathway to naturalization (they can get long term resident status) so I suppose it's less of a problem.
I think the PRC is going to founder fairly soon, too. But not on account of some blinkered economic analysis that concludes that the source of their problem is that 1.4 billion people on a territorial footprint the size of the 48 Continental US states isn't nearly enough.
Only economists trained in handling fungible numbers while remaining studiously ignorant of the principles of the life sciences--or the recent advances in human health sciences--could advocate such quackery as the remedy for the economic challenges of the 21st century.
Pro-Natalism is a Ponzi scheme that will chew through the living natural systems of the planet like a colony of termites turning an exquisite wood-frame house into sawdust if its tenets are followed to their conclusion, by feeding every natural resource on the planet into a grinder that yields only the Power of More Money to accumulate more Power and more Money.
Either that, or those persuaded to follow Pro-Natalist precepts on a planet of >8.3 billion people will split into factions that seek to thrive at the expense of the others. Possibly at the cost of pursuing the extinction of the others.
"The Environment" is not some mythical excuse made up by crypto-Marxists; the natural world is as vital to sustaining our lives as the internal vital organs that sustain our bodies, and its healthy functioning is ultimately as important as maintaining our internal physical health.
America is a far cleaner, better-for-the-environment place now despite having 400ish million people instead of 100 million. We got richer, in part because the population was growing, and used it to clean up the rivers, lakes, etc.
China, Africa, etc. are not because those places are terrible as are most of the people within them. Are such places overpopulated to some extent? Probably. Most of the Third World is. But 1) only the truly retarded are saying more Senegalese and Congolese will solve this, the focus has always been on high-quality people, and 2) regardless of overpopulation China will decline as it has ever fewer workers to pay for ever more retirees
Not the case. US environmental conditions began to improve around 1970, when the US population was around 180 million and a popular movement demanded improvements. (US population today is 340 million.) The 1970s was the era when we got a Clean Water Act, an EPA, and the beginning of fuel regulations banning tetraethyl lead and mandating catalytic converters (without which the air in cities like Los Angeles would have gotten worse instead of better.) Technological improvement has been important, and it continues to be important. But the uncomfortable fact is that much of the improved environmental quality in the US is a result of relocating so much industrial output outside of US borders, to China, India and Mexico. The pollution load on the planet didn't go away. Much of it was simply transferred to other countries. And improvements on the problems that remain continue to be reversed by idiots (as with EPA headwaters protections), expensively contested by idiots (the same way that catalytic converters were fought), or bypassed by idiots (as with the exploitation of loose state regulations by industries not subjected to Federal EPA oversight, like hog waste lagoons in some states, and parts of the Louisiana petrochemical industry.)
Furthermore, much water pollution remains, in the form of nonpoint pollution: overloaded municipal sewage systems, nutrient pollution from petroleum and petrochemical runoff and erosion, massive amounts of animal waste from CAFOs, petrochecmical agriculture. https://databasin.org/datasets/53f72f00668848f48e6ebfd7d99ad05b/
This is not a situation to be solved by abolishing the EPA that records the data. Some of the problems related to microbial pollution are troubling, increasing, and unprecedented, such as the role of polluted waters in generating antibiotic-resistant bacteria: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=antibiotic+resistant+bacteria+vibrio+e+coli+water+pollution&ia=web
Scarcity of the water supply for the existing US population is another problem that's worsening:
https://www.stlouisfed.org/-/media/project/frbstl/stlouisfed/publications/regional-economist/2021/third-quarter/us_stress_map.jpg
https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/WaterCrisis_MainImage_v04_KS_1669664010491_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg
Those are not projections; that's what's happening now. (I refrained from posting projection maps about droughts and water shortages, because I don't want to get sucked into a tangential discussion by Climate Stress Deniers.)
Also, American Society of Civil Engineers report card https://infrastructurereportcard.org/
https://infrastructurereportcard.org/cat-item/wastewater-infrastructure/ D+
https://infrastructurereportcard.org/cat-item/drinking-water-infrastructure/ C-
https://infrastructurereportcard.org/cat-item/stormwater-infrastructure/ D
https://infrastructurereportcard.org/cat-item/hazardous-waste-infrastructure/ D+
I can only imagine how much more stressed that infrastructure would be if the US population was presently the 400 million number that you provided, instead of 340 million.
I'll take a break here. My problem isn't that I don't have any other data to support my points; it's that I have so much of it that I need to winnow it down to my most important points.
Well one advantage the US has is that it is made up of many different subcultures, trying different things. Some of those subcultures have high fertility.
The highest US TFR is Hawaiian / Pacific Islander at 2.2 then Latinos at 1.97. Is that who you're banking on to beat the Chinese? In what--cookouts?
Are you capable of thinking in any terms besides race?
Hint: The Amish TFR is about 5.
OK. Hawaiian/Asian Pacific or Latino "subculture." Now, are you able to answer the question? The US has the same demographic cliff as the Chinese and we're on the hook for a lot more fiscal obligations.
Did you read the comment you replied to?
You said the US advantage over China is it's high TFR subcultures. The ones actually measured by participation in the US Census, are Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders (barely above 2) and Latinos (1.9). I asked you if that's who you were banking on to beat the Chinese because other than good barbecues they're not doing a lot. Apparently the ace up the US sleeve is going to be the Amish and their barn raisings.
The Amish are just the most famous of the high fertility subcultures.
Imo I think the main problem is that modern culture worships work too much.
Meanwhile America is in inexorable decline.
This isn't really true
We probably have the best shot of anywhere of making it out of the decay
It actually is really true except for tech bro plutocrats and Wall Street financial parasites. America is in inexorable decline. Even Trump admitted so openly during the presidential debate last year.
America is in decline, not inexorable decline, and if Trump thought it was inexorable he wouldn't be running
The parasites didn't get on board with Trump, only a few of the pro-America ones who provide sane and needed services like Jamie Dimon. America would collapse without commercial banking of the sort he provides, and JPM is a far better company than most of the European banks and their American affiliates
Trump is a glorified carnival barker and by all
measures America is in decline. The interests of elites and average people couldn’t be more different. The white foundational population is about 56% and falling. We’re not going back to 1985.
Conservative economist Martin Armstrong https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/ has written for years that the USA splits up post-2032 and China will win - almost by default. Even despite their upcoming demographic cliff, if the USA splits up, the power shifts to China.
Martin is great, but I doubt this will go that way
The shift of the tech and finance types to a semi-MAGA right means that if such a split occurred, it would mainly just be us shedding our deadweight. Meanwhile China will soon have a nearly 1:1 worker-to-retiree ratio and struggles to even produce its own food or energy
Insh'Allah it really would be great if we could give the Left Coast and the Northeast the heave but I think that's pretty fanciful. Really America is a bunch of Blue urban Islands surrounded by Red exurbs. If we can stop the fiscal bleeding and onshore manufacturing maybe we get birth rates up so the young leave the cities to raise families. So maybe there's hope.
Yes, I do think the "build the real economy" aspect of birthrates has been under noticed. Birthrates were good when people could live a middle class life with a normal job